it down to almost a trickle, almost zero, which is where they are now, you basically -- basically what you do is disrupt supply and demand and skyrocket prices. we saw the initial 2 percent rise in crude oil prices. frankly, it's a little muted. that's because on the other side of the coin, japan is now -- the theory is with the japanese, with what's going on in japan, the demand side is being affected in japan, supply side being affected in libya. so it's almost balancing each other out right now. jenna: i've heard this term, a fear premium. >> sure. jenna: that that's what we're experiencing, even as consumers, of some of our products. >> there's always a fear premium, $103, $102 for a barrel of crude, what does it cost to get it out of the ground. somewhere on a worldwide basis, a lot cheaper in the middle east, $25 a barrel, maybe $40 a barrel here, and the rest being processing, the rest being transportation, the rest being fear, and a lot of that, so it could be 20, $25.